(Non) SCANDAL! RKC Banished From Dragon Door! An Interview With Chong Li From Bloodsport!!! Tons Of Exclamation Points!!!!!!!

by Josh Hanagarne on May 24, 2010

I was crying into my pillow when the door exploded. Who should walk in but Chong Li? He grabbed me by the hair and dragged me into the kitchen, where he informed me that we were about to have an interview. He threw me in a chair, slapped my face and said:

Chong Li: No woman no cry.

Josh: Sorry. I can’t stop. (sniff) You listen to Bob Marley?

Chong Li: I wrote that song. Bob steal. Too many books in here for a kitchen.

Josh: There’s no more room in the rest of the house. Do you like to read?

Chong Li: Closes one nostril and blows snot on floor. I only read Internet forum. I only read Dragon Door Strength And Conditioning Forum. I’m here to kill you.

Josh: Please don’t mention them! It’s still too painful! Isn’t it enough that I was banned from a moderately-used asynchronous message board? Leave me alone!

I begin to cry again but he throws a handful of quicklime in my eyes. I am forced to answer the next few questions using my other senses.

Josh: I only have myself to blame, I suppose.

Chong Li: No, blame Adam Glass. His friends all are disappeared from forum too.

Josh: Adam’s just–

Chong Li: He fat. Stupid. Probably closety gayboy from fitness prince academy.You should be smart enough to not be his friend.

At this point I grab the salt shaker and try to shake a dash in the direction of his eyes. He grabs my wrist.

Chong Li: Never bring a condiment to a caustic chemical compound fight. And now I break you, just like I break your friend.

From outside, the chant: “Chong Li! Chong Li! Chong Li!

My eyes are regaining focus. I look out the window.

Josh: Who is that out there?

Chong Li: My mom. She goes everywhere with me, chants my name. She cannot let go of Kumite tournaments.

Josh: Would she like to come in? It’s chilly out there.

Chong Li: No. Down to business. I’m here to ask questions.

Josh: Ask away.

Chong Li: You become RKC voluntarily, yes?

Josh: Yes.

Chong Li: And remind me what RKC stand for?

Josh: Russian Kettlebell Challenge.

Chong Li: Frowns. So when someone say, “I’m an RKC, they are saying, “I’m a Russian Kettlebell Challenge?”

Josh: Hmm…I suppose so. Wait, no, it stands for Russian Kettlebell Certified. Actually, I’ve heard it both ways. But “I’m a Russian Kettlebell Challenge” is more fun to say. Let’s go with that.

Chong Li: Why you become Russian Kettlebell Challenge?

Josh: I became a Russian Kettlebell Challenge to celebrate the end of a dark period in my life. I had taken control of my body again. I read some of Pavel’s books and knew that attending the RKC certification was something that I would enjoy. I wanted to thank Dragon Door for helping through some very tough times. I never planned on being a trainer.

Chong Li: So why did you started training people?

Josh: It turned out that helping people get stronger was fun and I was good at it.

Chong Li: Why were you on the forum?

Josh: Well, sometimes it was because I wanted to read about whether it’s cool to shave your head. Or why Crossfit was crazy. Or if it’s okay to use any old towel for a kettlebell towel swing. But mostly I just liked the people there. It was a fun community.

Chong Li: What about learning to get stronger?

Josh: In the beginning, absolutely. During the next year I tried to learn from everyone I could, and little by little I realized I was making a lot more progress than most people there. Even the ones giving the most advice.

Chong Li: Ah…so you were banned because you flaunted your progress? You are tall bragger boy.

Josh: Not at all. You can still go read all the posts I wrote if you’re curious. My posts–and there were several hundred–were always in these categories:

  • Saying hi to the new guys
  • Saying “good job” when people posted their progress
  • Asking about other’s experiences so I could learn more
  • Posting my own progress, which always started some great conversations
  • Answering questions when people said, “Holy crap, what are you doing that is working so well?”

Chong Li: Ah…so your mistake was that you answered questions that people were asking, rather than ignoring them like a tall a-hole.

Josh: (Laughs). Yes, I didn’t feel right ignoring questions from people trying to get better. I never made any promises, just related my experiences.

Chong Li: Well, but what about promoting that Grip and Rip product?

Josh: Yeah, I wondered about that too. The thing is, that product was made by two RKCs, one of whom was in a leadership position. I put a link up for Grip And Rip 2.0 about five weeks ago and nobody said anything. And many people asked for me to post a link when it was released again.

So I did.

Chong Li: Is that why you were banished into exile forever and ever and ever?

Josh: That’s my best guess. But again, normally when there’s something they don’t like, they just delete the post or contact the author of the thread. They must really not want this information out there. It’s exciting, kind of like living in the middle of The Da Vinci Code, but with less eidetic memory CGI.

Chong Li: But certainly you didn’t sell very many of the DVD?

Josh: Au contraire, Chong–sorry, may I call you Chong?

Chong Li: No.

Josh: Anyways, we sold a ton of them. Immediately. Twice. And most of the money came from people on that forum and from that system. And why not? Grip and Rip was made by two very smart RKCs. Banning someone from the forum for promoting an RKC’s product is sort of like banning Lebron James’s teammates from his games for wearing NBA jerseys.

Chong Li: Hmm…Can I still order a copy?

Josh: Absolutely. Here you go, Chong Li. They may be sold out, but this link will get you on the waiting list, along with a couple thousand other people. It will make your pecs even bigger if you want.

Chong: Please, call me Chong. But–it must be that you put the link on the forum to disrespect the RKC, right?

Josh: Nope, I love the RKC. Grip and Rip and biofeedback training is just a way to make it better. People asked me to post the link, so I posted it. And I made some money and I’m not sorry. A product made by RKCs is publicity for Dragon Door and the system. If we’re not allowed to promote products that RKCs make, something is broken. Otherwise, they need to ban those people and let us know so it’s not confusing.

Chong Li: So you are innocent?

Josh: Not quite, because there’s no moral component to this. Right and wrong don’t figure into it. They just made a silly decision. I didn’t even know I was banned until I tried to login and read “You have been banned forever.”

Just a silly decision.

Chong Li: Silly like this interview?

Josh: Okay, now that I deserve. I just don’t know how anyone takes this stuff so seriously. Regardless, it makes me sad to see them do this.

Chong Li: Sad like Sophie’s Choice?

Josh: Worse. Now I know how Judge Dredd felt when they sent him outside the walls. He didn’t have any of his gadgets.

Chong Li: Technology does have its limitations.

Josh: Tel me about it. In the real world, you can’t get rid of people just by pushing a button.

Chong: Yes, unless of course it is The Button. We both laugh. You are not bitter, then?

Josh: Not at all. That forum is a very small pond out there on the Internet, but I’d be lying if I pretended that I wasn’t proud to have been a member. And I still have nothing but affection and respect for just about everyone there, whether they’re at the bottom or the top of the organization.

Until the RKC code of conduct gives a list of acceptable people I can’t associate with on penalty of being banned, I guess I’ll just keep being friends with whoever I choose. Which, happily, is just about everyone I meet.

Chong: It sounds like there are other people who feel the same.

Josh: I’ll show you my email inbox after I let your mom in. Lots of great questions. Lots of support. I tell them all that this isn’t important enough to be outraged over, but some people are still a bit upset.

Chong: Please do, my friend. And you know, I’m not going to kill you after all. Perhaps they should ban me as well. I post as BBQMaster27. And please tell Adam I was wrong about him.

Josh: Well, maybe not entirely wrong, although he might object to the closety gayboy remark…and he’s not fat or stupid. He’s a bit of a mad dog, though. I’ll also be hosting a workshop in July in Salt Lake City which you should probably come to. But perhaps I’ve said too much…

Chong: Or maybe not enough.

Josh: Maybe not. I’ll save the rest of it for the book. I’ll only have to change a couple of chapters.

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{ 67 comments… read them below or add one }

Mitch May 24, 2010 at 1:35 am

Damn man, that is such a bummer.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:18 am

Not really. Just a bonehead play.

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Tomas May 24, 2010 at 1:41 am

This interview was full of win. :D

Did Adam and co. really get banned, too?

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:18 am

I have no idea. Adam hasn’t tried to log in for months, so he may never have gotten the “you’re not welcome” message.

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Tomas May 24, 2010 at 9:21 am

I thought more people got banned for promoting Biofeedback because Chong Li said: “No, blame Adam Glass. His friends all are disappeared from forum too.” ;)

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:24 am

I’d ask them. You might be right, I just don’t know. When was the last time you saw them posting?

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Tomas May 24, 2010 at 10:11 am

I don’t know, haven’t read the forum for long time since finding Biofeedback.

Kris Wragg May 24, 2010 at 5:08 am

I really can’t understand the logic behind their decision. Are they going to revoke your RKC statuses next?

Perhaps its just that they don’t like the idea that Grip n Rip provides a way to make your own workout program so you don’t effectively need some of the DD products?

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:19 am

That’s because it’s not logical. If they revoke my RKC status, who knows if they’d even tell me?

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Todd May 24, 2010 at 7:04 am

Is there an Emmy category for Best Interview? If not, there should be, and this should be the winner. Period!

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:19 am

There is now. Please design the trophy.

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Heather May 24, 2010 at 7:18 am

HOLY $41T! DUDE! Were you really banned? If so, that sucks. That truly, truly sucks. Great interview, though!

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:20 am

It’s true, my friend. It doesn’t suck that bad, though. A forum that is moderated this heavily and ineptly and inconsistently is not worth being a member of.

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Liz May 24, 2010 at 7:50 am

Darn, now one of the few people I actually felt like I knew won’t be posting there. ANNOYING. I think the reaction is over the top and in poor taste. Good thing it doesn’t really matter.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:21 am

Annoying is right. And even more right is that it doesn’t matter.

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Randy Hauer May 24, 2010 at 8:08 am

Russian Kettlebell Challenged. An affliction like no other.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:21 am

We have a winner!

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Boris Bachmann May 24, 2010 at 8:39 am

If you don’t or won’t ask for an explanation on the DD or RKC forum, I will. It’s ridiculous.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:22 am

Feel free, my good man. I wash my hands of the spineless nonsense.

You’d laugh your head off if I showed you all the emails and tweets I’ve gotten saying “Well they just lost $2000 bucks from me!”

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Aaron May 24, 2010 at 10:02 am

I assume that there is the main reason for the bannage, $.
Awesome interview Josh.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 10:19 am

Please, all thanks to Chong, for letting me live.

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Boris Bachmann May 24, 2010 at 12:25 pm

I put up a thread. It will probably be ignored – I chose not to go for the gonzo thread title…

Casey May 24, 2010 at 1:17 pm

Boris,

I couldn’t find the thread on the recent Instructor and Public forum pages. Were they deleted? I wanted to say my rather “aggressive” piece on training and critical thinking but cannot find the thread. Is there some Orwellian shit going on here or am I just blind?

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Brandon May 24, 2010 at 9:36 am

Well now I HAVE to buy “Grip n Rip”.

For the record I don’t have to only buy products that have a degree of drama about them, but it helps :)

But in all likelihood, the buttons for “banned forever” and “member forever” are probably very close to each other. It really makes sense otherwise.

Cheers,
-Brandon

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Brandon May 24, 2010 at 9:37 am

I mean, “Makes No Sense”.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:41 am

Brandon, I just noticed that my link still goes to a sales page, so they’re not quite sold out yet. I’d love it if you bought it from me!

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Brandon May 24, 2010 at 9:48 am

Done. I used the link from this page. Looking forward to the DVD!

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Jon May 24, 2010 at 9:39 am

After reading this post, I just read your blurb on your instructor review page.

http://www.dragondoor.com/instructor/1708

If they want to be so petty towards a guy who speaks so highly of their system, that speaks volumes about their character.

Add me to the list of people that will save the $2,000.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 9:43 am

I’m surprised that page is still up, honestly.

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Jon May 24, 2010 at 9:55 am

They were busy with an FMS cert all weekend–give them some time to get back in the office and deactivate all of you heathens.

I started following that forum a year ago. The quality has steadily declined in that time, and with moves like this, the forum will just fall apart even quicker. On the bright side, you can save a lot of time every day that used to be wasted on reading and contributing positive posts on the forum.

But what do they care, they don’t directly make or lose any money with the forum anyway.

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Casey May 24, 2010 at 11:55 am

Well Josh you heard my piece on “The Road…” so I’ll spare a full on rant here. Way to take it in stride brother, and yeah, we can go on and on about how silly/ridiculous/boneheaded their decision was, but that won’t change it. Only option is to keep getting better and move on.

Loyalty is very important, and I always thought the RKC felt the same. After these recent histrionics, I cannot honestly say that is the case. So I raise my beer (I’m aware it’s only 11am) to The Movement and to the many PR’s we shall set and destroy in the future, be they in training or in life…Prost!

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 12:45 pm

11 AM huh? I don’t drink, so why don’t you have two for me.

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Casey May 24, 2010 at 1:12 pm

Done and done my friend :)

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Bill Jones May 24, 2010 at 12:24 pm

Sorry to hear about the you being banned…well in a way. Had you not been banned I would not have enjoyed myself so much reading this post! But it’s not all about me. Had you not been banned you wouldn’t have come up with this post! So it’s back to you…or Adam? I loved his honesty in this post: http://www.adamtglass.com/2010/01/08/my-complete-thoughts-on-kettlebells-kb-training-and-other-stuff/

Kinda thought that may do him in at DD. Not sure if he would give a shit about that at all.

Oh well…do what works for Josh!

Looking forward to Grip/Rip and hopefully banging bells this summer!

bill

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 12:42 pm

Thanks Bill, looking forward to meeting you!

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Will May 24, 2010 at 12:38 pm

Chong Li and his mom just logged in and are bashing you over on DD! Be well mate, cast a hat to James for me.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 12:40 pm

Will do, buddy. How’s your post-op recovery going?

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James Sjostrom May 24, 2010 at 1:13 pm

You always keep it interesting, this I know is true.
DD’s Loss if you ask me.
I can’t wait for the seminar in SLC, Count me in. Is there a sales page where I can sign up now? I imagine if Adam T. Glass is really coming to SLC it will sell out fast.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 1:19 pm

Dr. James, the esteemed Mr. Glass dropped his stupid phone in a cup of water and it broke, so I haven’t been able to coordinate yet.

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ATG May 24, 2010 at 7:17 pm

Have cold Irish stout I will be there

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Mike T Nelson May 24, 2010 at 1:56 pm

Great interview man!

I looked on the DD forum and under your name it says “banned”
ahhaah. You are truly bad ass now!

Cheers to biofeedback!

rock on
Mike T Nelson PhD(c)
http://ExtremeHumanPerformance.com

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 2:14 pm

Any idiot can get banned. But it takes something spectacular to get banned without even trying.

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Helen Hoefele May 24, 2010 at 1:59 pm

This was much more interesting than the meeting I was supposed to be paying attention to instead. I don’t think anyone noticed me trying to hide a few muted chuckles. Love your writing style. Great way to make the best of an unfortunate situation. :)

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 2:14 pm

Now you’re speaking my language! Down with meetings!

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sammy baby May 24, 2010 at 2:00 pm

I have to say – this is the funniest post about a mildly depressing topic that I’ve seen in a long time. Kudos, and condolences, at the same time.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 2:14 pm

you’re a good man, Charlie Brown!

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Johan May 24, 2010 at 2:06 pm

LOL! I love this post Josh. Perhaps you should become an author ;-) Seriously, the decision to ban you is one of the most ludicrous ones I’ve seen in a while. Then again, the party is always right. Ha, ha, ha! Just keep doing what you are doing. There are many people outside of DD (and probably inside DD) that will vouch for you.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 2:13 pm

Johan, since you are the gold standard, I consider this a huge victory. If you like it, it’s worth liking:)

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Logan Christopher May 24, 2010 at 3:03 pm

Too funny. I think Chong’s right about Adam.

By the way, I’m a few chapters into your book and I have no clue where its going. I like the characters but I don’t like them (especially Candy) at the same time. Weird stuff!

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Sean Schniederjan May 24, 2010 at 3:21 pm

From JDC:

“As you know for quite a while we have been very relaxed about allowing threads about Gym Movement on our forum. However we have seen and have had reported compelling evidence that some prominent members of Gym Movement have been actively attacking RKC and generally disparaging our systems.

Dragon Door’s forums are private. If “guests” come into our house and set up shop to sell their wares, while simultaneously denigrating us in other locations, they are no longer welcome to participate on Dragon Door.

We actively encourage RKCs to promote themselves and their products on our forums. You see it all the time. We welcome it. You will also have seen us welcome/allow the promotion of systems like ZHealth here, whether or not they are in exact accord with our own philosophies. But we certainly draw the line with organizations that have chosen to be openly antagonistic to us.

So, yes we will remove posts in the future that attempt to promote Gym Movement at our expense and ban those from our site who attempt to do so.”

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 3:26 pm

Thanks Sean!

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Johan May 24, 2010 at 3:31 pm

Good on you Sean. You should know better than anyone else that the meek will inherent the Earth. For heavens sake…this is not Sodom and Gomorrah!

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Sean Schniederjan May 24, 2010 at 3:43 pm

Johan-Don’t really understand the S&G or Sermon on the Mount reference, I was just posting what JDC said for the sake of the discussion.

Since you mentioned it, I think the most interesting part of that part of Genesis is the character Melchisidech. cf Psalm 110(109) and Paul’s letter the Hebrews. Juicy stuff. I guess some people say that Melchisidech is Shem, the oldest son of Noah and the only righteous first born son in the OT. The Messiah comes from the order of Melchisidech, not the order of the Levitical Priesthood of Aaron…two references in the entire OT. God is always hiding!

Best,
Sean

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Johan May 24, 2010 at 3:32 pm

Sorry, I meant inherit! My bad!

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Faizal Enu May 24, 2010 at 7:48 pm

Josh,

This one is tough one for me personally because I have loyalties to both.

I do have to things that I must say:
* I can’t believe that no one communicated with you in person about this. To me, I don’t think finding out by trying to log in was right. Even if you were a troll, I don’t think that would be right, even if it was just an e-mail. There should have been a discussion. Even if the result was the same, it has kind of a “breaking up over a text message” feel to it.

* I do think that some of the GM marketing (not yours) on the DD forum was very disrespectful, negative, disingenuous, and shallow. There were outright baseless attacks on senior RKCs. There were outright denigrations of the RKC certifications. There was a lot of “GM is great, but I can’t tell you why.” There was a lot of “RTK does not work as well as GM.” It is inexcusable and classless to disrespect a product on that company’s forum. And Josh, you know that I point this out everytime someone talks about “what bells are good?” so this is not out of the blue.

Unfortunately, you can’t say that it was just a “person acting independently” on the forum when that member is part of GM’s “Think Tank” and gets considerations from GM. Just like in normal business, the actions of one, if left unchecked by the business, then represent the business. In that way, this is where it gets “Hatfields and McCoys”, “Coke and Pepsi”, “Jif and Skippy” (or you might prefer Capulets and Montagues :) ).

I can’t say I like what happened, but I can’t say that I am surprised.

Also, credibility is a very big thing with me, and credibility is first and foremost about results. Adam, you, and others have that in groves (or droves — whatever). And in this business we are always learning. I learned when I first picked up a bodybuilding magazine at age 23 when I weighed 235 lbs, and followed bodybuilding protocols to get to 166lbs/6.2% BF.

6 years later I got into WSB training and was squatting close to 500lb at 185lb. Did I knock bodybuilding training then? No, why? Because it worked.

I got into KB training after recovery from a bad back and shoulders injury. Went from 210lb to 173lb and < 9% BF%. Did I denigrate the WSB system or the BB? No, because they are still a part of me. Just because I learn something new, and it works, doesn't mean I have to trash what I learned before, especially if I raved about it before.

This is where the actions of individuals represent EVERYONE in the group if is not checked by the group. That is just how it is.

And to be honest, one person does not make a system, either the system works or it doesn't. If someone doesn't want to take the RKC because there is a singular person is not in the system, they probably should not have taken it in the first place. It is an investment — I made my investment back in the first month.

Steve Cotter left, Mike Mahler left, Steve Maxwell left and a ton of others have left. Just like any business, it is never about one person, and I would even say that about John and Pavel and Brett and Kenneth.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 8:06 pm

Let’s go with jif and skippy. I actually like peanut butter more than Shakespeare. Thanks for the comment. You make lots of great points and I always respect your opinions.

I’m over this and will move on and do what I love, just like everyone else should. There are more important things Than forums, training, Gym movement, rkcs, and the Internet. I couldn’t pass up the chance to write about Chong Li!

Please don’t spend any more time worrying about any of this buddy. I won’t!

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Faizal Enu May 24, 2010 at 8:30 pm

Thanks Josh, just a few last points:
* I thought his name was Bolo “Best Pecs Ever” Cheung
* Right when you replied, I just got done recommending light getups for sore shoulders — that made me feel all is right in the world.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 8:44 pm

Did you know he was 50 in that movie? 50!

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David Cain May 24, 2010 at 8:36 pm

Well you know what I think of all this banning nonsense already Josh, but I just wanted to say the interview was hilarious… like, LOL-in-the-library hilarious. Australian bookworms are giving me impatient looks.

You are a class act dude.

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Steve May 25, 2010 at 3:21 am

Now that is hysterical! My wife even enjoyed it and she doesn’t know who Chong Li is!!!!!

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Steve Meidinger May 25, 2010 at 4:55 pm

If I may add my thoughts: I have been an RKC since 2006. I assisted at an RKC cert in 2008 that my buddy attended as a student and acceled in every way. He was a standout. He was recommended by all his instructors to come back as an assistant.

When he phoned DD to set up a cert to assist at, he was treated in a very rude and short fashion having been told “All certs are full for the year. You will have to pay $500 and attend as a student.” He was shocked to say the least.

He and I after that exchange (and a few philosophical differences) have both decided to allow our RKC status to expire. In short, factoring in the monster DD has become, your banning does not surprise me one bit.

I can end with an all-too-appropriate quote:

“Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system.” -Bruce Lee

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Josh Hanagarne May 25, 2010 at 7:45 pm

Thanks for dropping by Steve. Where in Colorado are you?

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Steve Meidinger May 26, 2010 at 5:19 pm

Josh,
I reside in Fort Collins. When is this SLC seminar I hear of?

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Bamboo Forest - Tick Tock Timer May 26, 2010 at 12:57 pm

Hilarious post. You do Chong Li’s voice so well.

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Faizal Enu May 26, 2010 at 2:50 pm

Josh — I did hear that he was 50+ in that movie, and I remember being very surprised. Blood Sport is an excellent movie. “Kickboxer” on the other hand, was a piece of crap.

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alex April 9, 2011 at 6:47 pm

I love the kettlebell swing – I biggest problem area is my thighs and it is a great workout for the thighs.

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Josh Hanagarne May 24, 2010 at 12:42 pm

Thanks Boris. I probably won’t swing by to take a look. I’ve had my say. It wouldn’t be right if they couldn’t have theirs.

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